Would Krav Maga training be as usefull as Ninjutsu?

I know Krav Maga is self defence, but does it have as much potential as a powerful martial art?

Would Krav Maga training be as usefull as Ninjutsu?
Look at any Pride fight champion, UFC champion or K-1, MMAs winningest style is the combination of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu/Muay Thai kick boxing. Don't worry about Krav or the dead style, Ninjutsu Karate, there are no MMA champions who use these styles. Your butt will be owned by anyone who trains in MMA Brazilian Jiujitsu/MuayThai.
Reply:MMA fighters participate in a sport watched by many people. They have to follow rules - not a lot of rules- but they have to follow rules. I think the UFC has more rules then Pride fighting. When going up against Krav Maga, Systema, or Ninjutsu, those fighters don't follow rules. Report It

Reply:Technically it is a martial art. It is more modern version and depends on the teacher (like any martial art) what you get out of it.
Reply:Style is not important.


Quality and frequency of training are more important.





I also feel that ninjitsu is a dead martial art. The secrets of Ninjitsu never left Japan.


I feel anyone teach it should be highly scrutinized as they are most likely fraudulent.





Also, ninjitsu is a style that involved disguises, sneaking around, scaling walls, poisoning,assassination, self-termination,...why would you want to know this?
Reply:Krav Maga could be considered to be a combat-derived "art" if you will. Being used within the Israeli military, it's used with a sense of reality. It's not overtly-stylized, and it's quick and to the point.





The only thing I'm not huge on with Krav Maga is that it doesn't teach you how to avoid combative situations in the first place, and a lot of what they do would likely get you thrown in jail...it's by no means whatsoever subtle. An art is an art is an art...but if you don't know how to use that art in a non-obvious way, having knowledge of combat can actually hurt you in a court of law.





They also do not teach you how to move out of zones of attack, they meet everything head on with equal and/or greater force.





And while the UFC nuts go nuts over what looks more dangerous...when it comes to the ramifications of a self-defense


situation....obvious and brutal isn't always best.





What I respect about the Bujinkan is that it teaches techniques that can turn out brutal....but they're subtle as all get out.





It's not an art where you get quick promotions....it's not an art that you have a million belts in, and it's not an art that does a ton of silly Kiai! screaming for no bloody reason....





It's an art that teaches survival mentality, combat mentality, and a number of....generally lost elements that transcend just fighting that many martial arts have lost in the dust.





Here's some info for you : (it's copied from one of my other posts....didn't feel like re-typing it all again.)





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While there are elements of Ninjutsu still existing in certain branches of Japanese Koryu Bujutsu, Yagyu Shinkage Ryu (柳生新陰流) for example headed by the infamous "sword saint" Yagyū Muneyoshi Sekishusai (柳生宗厳)....the only existing martial arts system out of Nippon that teaches Ninpo in it's entirety is the Bujinkan, headed by Soke (headmaster) Masaaki Hatsumi 初見良昭, who recieved his rank of Soke from Toshitsugu Takamatsu (高松寿嗣) the 33rd Soke of the 9 ryūha lineages. Termed the "Mongolian Tiger" due to his active combat experience against Chinese Gung-Fu boxers in China.





Toshitsugu Takamatsu is considered to be the "last combat ninja" by the Bujinkan.





According to historical accounts, his family had both samurai class and ninja roots. Toshitsugu Takamatsu studied under various masters of several ryu, and as a result, became the "only man ever to master all aspects of ninjutsu".





When he was still a young man, Takamatsu gained his notoriety by "singlehandedly stopping a small riot". When he was older, he was involved in espionage in Manchuria and, according to Masaaki Hatsumi, was in connection with Motojiro Akashi. Returning from China, he became a Tendai-shū abbot at Mount Hiei.





He also had ties with the Soke of the Hyōhō Niten Ichi-ryū (I'm not sure which Soke it was : so I'll omit a name) founded by the infamous Musashi Miyamoto (宮本 武蔵) and in turn, tied in dual-sword wielding techniques into the Bujinkan compendium...


titled as such (Nito Seiho.)





Takamatsu passed on his knowledge and legacy to Masaaki Hatsumi, who founded the Bujinkan to continue Takamatsu's teachings.





The Bujinkan (Warrior Spirit Training Hall or House of the Divine Warrior), or more properly the Bujinkan Dōjō (武神館道場.)





And even with the Bujinkan, only Togakure-ryū Ninpō (戸隠流忍法) is taught openly....but Gyokushin-ryū Ninpō (玉心流忍法), and


Kumogakure-ryū Ninpō (雲隠流忍法) are not.





Bujinkan training :





The training is generally referred to as taijutsu, and is composed of both armed and unarmed methods of fighting. Unarmed methods are broken down into three primary categories, dakentaijutsu (striking forms), jūtaijutsu (grappling forms), and taihenjutsu (body movement skills). Much of the basic taijutsu taught to beginners comes from six primary lineages in the Bujinkan compendium, namely Kotō-ryū, Gyokko-ryū, Shinden Fudō-ryū, Takagi Yōshin-ryū, Kuki Shinden-ryū, and Togakure-ryū.





A large variety of weapons are taught, such as sword (including daito, wakizashi and tanto, bamboo shinai, wooden bokken, iaitō a flexible aluminum replica sword that holds no edge, or swords made by soft modern materials are employed for safety such as padded bokken), staffs of various lengths (bō, jō, hanbō), rope, kusari-fundo (weighted chain), kusarigama (sickle with chain), yari (spear), kamayari (spear with 2 rearward hooking blades), bisento (similar to the naginata), kyoketsu shoge (similar to a kama except it has a dagger point and a rope of several feet attached to an iron ring), jutte (shaped like a sai with just a single prong, at a smaller distance from the shaft of the weapon) tessen (iron fan), naginata (Japanese halberd), kunai (a bladed digging tool), as well various form of shuriken including bo-shuriken and senban shuriken. Weapons are categorized into four primary classes - sticks, blades, flexibles, and projectiles.





Now, the principles of Taijutsu taught for our classical weapons translate into modern firearms as well. An example of this : I've had a concealed carry liscence for years.....but through the principles I was taught via my Shihan, I've learned how to draw/aim/fire and move with the handgun at a much higher peak performance level with more efficiency and accuracy.





18 disciplines of combat taught within the Bujinkan :





Seishin-teki kyōyō (spiritual refinement)


Taijutsu (unarmed combat)


Kyudo (archery)


Ninja ken (sword fighting)


Bōjutsu (stick and staff fighting)


Shurikenjutsu (throwing blades)


Sōjutsu (spear fighting)


Naginatajutsu (naginata fighting)


Kusarigamajutsu (chain weapons)


Kayakujutsu (fire and explosives)


Hensōjutsu (disguise and impersonation)


Shinobi-iri (Stealth and Infiltration methods)


Bajutsu (Horsemanship)


Sui-ren (Training in Water)


Bōryaku (Military Strategy)


Chōhō (Espionage)


Intonjutsu (Escaping and Concealment)


Tenmon (Meteorology)


Chi-mon (Geography)





Nine ryūha lineages of Bujinkan Budō Taijutsu:





Gyokko-ryū Kosshijutsu (玉虎流骨指術)


Kotō-ryū Koppōjutsu (虎倒流骨法術)


Shinden Fudō-ryū Dakentaijutsu (神伝不動流打拳体術)


Takagi Yōshin-ryū Jūtaijutsu (高木揚心流柔体術)


Kuki Shinden-ryū Happō Bikenjutsu (九鬼神伝流八法秘剣術)


Gikan-ryū Koppōjutsu (義鑑流骨法術)


Togakure-ryū Ninpō (戸隠流忍法)


Gyokushin-ryū Ninpō (玉心流忍法)


Kumogakure-ryū Ninpō (雲隠流忍法)





The only 3 of those that are ninjutsu schools are the last 3, and only Togakure-ryu is openly practiced. Soke prefers to keep the others relatively untaught until frankly...you're mature enough for them. I think that's a safe way of saying it.





There are derivative off-shoot systems called :





Jinenkan (meaning 自然舘 "Hall of Nature"), headed by Fumio Manaka (formerly a student of Soke Hatsumi's.)





Genbukan (忍法武芸道場、玄武館), meaning 'the place that nurtures the martial artist', headed by Shoto Tanemura (formerly a student of Soke Hatsumi's.)





Now, when it comes to the Genbukan and the Jinenkan....their claims of validity have been highly disputed.





Supposedly, Shoto Tanemura has been claiming to have obtained Menkyo Kaiden, a Japanese term meaning "license of total transmission" of ranking in several schools within (and outside of) the Bujinkan compendium : Kotō-ryū Koppōjutsu (虎倒流骨法術) and Shinden Fudō-ryū Dakentaijutsu (神伝不動流打拳体術) for example.





As stated above, these claims have been greatly disputed and dismissed by Soke Hatsumi.





That's about all I have on the subject....I hope it helps.





try looking in the "yellow pages" section of http://www.winjutsu.com for a Dojo directory.





Now, there are a lot of flakes within our art....sadly, but there are a ton quality instructors as well...just do your homework.





ninpo ikkan!





Ryan
Reply:Probably not. Systema triaining would be as useful as Ninjutsu, though.
Reply:I consider Krav Maga a "Modern Combat" art, which is good for today's needs as is the techniques of NinJitsu. but while I don't share Spidertigers view that Ninjitsu is a dead art.





It is still practiced, though not as popularly widespread as other martial arts, or other combat arts, it is still around. He is right that it employed some very "unsavory" or bad techniques in the days of feudal Asia.





I believe Ninjitsu has evolved beyond what it was; because it's not necessary to know those techniques nor teach them to the public in this day and time, and certainly not good to teach a child for the fact that they may use that knowledge for the wrong reason, however unintentional.





So even if you learn a form of Ninjitsu it can still be as effective as a modern combat art as Krav Maga.
Reply:Ninjutsu is a dead art get over it! That's like as ask "which is more effective on battle field, Navy Seals or ninja?" Today it's almost impossible to sneak around in the suit without raising some suspicous or causing alarms. We have light, camerecorder, high rise apartment/building, and more. So it defeate the purpose to learn a dead art. If you want to be stealthy and sneaky then go into military special force.





Ninjitsu is for those people who can't keep up in regular martial arts class and can't get into military. They take it up and hope that one day they will be a badass.





Krav Maga is very effective. Why would Israel military use it if a dead art (Ninjutsu) is so effective? That make absolutely no sense.





Oh also visit www.bullshido.net and see what those people say. They're people with college education, been in military special force, studies and train all over the world, and more. So they will know more than what most loser kids here who can't make it on their high school chess team with hope that Ninjutsu will turn them into next batman or something.
Reply:You want to use Krav Maga to assassinate someone?


or do you want to start teaching Krav Maga and call it Ninjitsu to get more money?


Either way, NO.