Are fighters who get 'rage', or see 'red mist', dangerous or vulnerable?

In my old English class we had a sprite of a lad who must have been knee-high to a garden gnome and weighed no more than a wet fart. He resembled Harry Potter down to the mop-top haircut, specs and I believe he even wore a cardigan.





Sounds like a nice, harmless academic boy. But in truth he was an ardent racist, and as such always found himself getting in to fights outside the pub on a Friday night.





Now, by definition, he should never have won a fight. He was built like a matchstick, was as blind as a mole and had never had any formal training in martial arts, boxing or even just in the gym.





But this guy was famous for becoming enraged, it was almost a mental condition; he'd suddenly start screaming like a banshee and would just go crazy, arms and legs everywhere, and would literally dive in to men three times his size and almost claw them to pieces- no technique or style, just pure, masochistic rage so that he was uncontrollable, relentless.

Are fighters who get 'rage', or see 'red mist', dangerous or vulnerable?
Hmmm a very good question !!!!





I'd say both dangerous and vulnerable....why well in red mist mode people become tunnel visioned and if they connect and sustain the aggression may likely win though pure out and out single minded determination.





But vulnerable also with tunnel vision ,as a trained determined opponent may take advantage of their single minded assault ,hence they may be open to a serious devastating counter attack without seeing it coming.





Hope this helps :)
Reply:Fighting is more about what is in your heart than in skill.


It has been proven time and time again that even the most trained fighter can be beaten by a random untrained person (i have seen a girl punch a guy three times her size unconscious)





What you are talking about is called "berserking or berserker rage". It is the ability to go into a state of "now or never, life or death". It can be extremely hard to control someone like this because he only has one intent "to survive". Do not confuse this with someone that goes into blind rage , these guys can easily be controlled and put out.





if someone does go into Berserking in a street fight, you will not be able to control him so to him it is an advantage
Reply:if a black belt in judo and muay thai were to fight this guy with no training, the dude would be gone. part of martial arts training is training the mind to adapt to situations and do things by instinct. that pissed of drunk dude probaly scared the other so called qualified trained individuals, when in reality he has no plans to his next move. i'm a black belt in muay thai, and trust me, he might be looking strong for like 10 seconds, but when i see an opening, its lights out. jab to the face then a 360 elbow pop to the head, its over. and plus,a lot of people who train are very modest because their trainers tell them to use it for sport, exercise and self defense. assuming i had to help someone there or he was trying to kill me, yeah i would knock his lights out.
Reply:The answer is both. They are both dangerous and vulnerable.





Most fights are completely uncontrolled and just a flailing of arms, fists, teeth, etc. So, when someone is in a rage they have a little bit of advantage because they are mainly the one that is doing most of the flailing and they get in some good punches. During this time, confusion plays a key factor and the one that is being hit doesn't quite know what to do, (and also the fact that they could be scared and not really wanting to fight in the first place.) Trust me, size has nothing to do with fighting ability.





The dangerous part is when the person that is in a rage meets someone that KNOWS how to fight and is able to control their emotions in those circumstances. The enraged person will get pummeled by someone that knows what they are doing. The rage will cause them to make uncontrollable moves in an attempt to hit anything, while the one with the cool head will be making controlled moves with intent.





So, when in a fight with someone that doesn't know what they are doing...the enraged person will be dangerous. But, when they go against someone with a cool head, the enraged person will be completely vulnerable.
Reply:I started boxing and my trainer found out I had the "rage" after my first bout. Of course that was the end of my boxing career.





In street fights I almost always win because when I go into a rage I seem to become stronger and braver and usually beat the crap out of the person I'm fighting.





A disadvantage is that I could seriously hurt someone and not even realize I was doing it until it was too late. Needless to say I haven't been in a fight for years.
Reply:Depends on whether the trained fighter has a gun or not, I suppose....


But seriously, I personally would shy away from a fight with someone like him, because I simply would not know how to deal with that kind of battle-rage.


But from his point of view, to just charge into a fight with fists flying uncontrollably sounds like an excellent tactic to compensate for his lack of size and weight, and to throw would-be opponents totally off-balance - after all, the best defence is always a good offense....
Reply:Keep a cool head in a fight %26amp; you,ll always beat the fool who,s foaming at the mouth.
Reply:OK, lets be honest. The friend you are talking about is you. Your lack of emotional control will not help you fight after about age 14. After that you will get pounded and have to resort to claiming how much damage you did to the other guy's fist with your face.
Reply:If you have to match him rage for rage .The VIKINGS who gave us the word BERSERKER prized it highly.It is a state of "no mind" muga mushin.In the orient it is attained thru meditation and years of martial practice .


When the no mind state is due to rage or frenzy there is no controlling him as pain is something he will only feel later not when it happens .He will wear kicks or punches without them seeming to have any effect just so he can get at you.Most times he wont even realize he has been hit.


There is even a medical term for their condition and it describes a person who even under normal conditions is in a hi adrenaline state when they go to the rage state their adrenaline is 10 times the normal mans.


Such men usually spend a lot of their years behind bars.
Reply:Both a strength and a weakness. A skilled, experienced fighter would make mincemeat out of this guy. But as you've witnessed, it can take out the less experienced guy, regardless of 'training'.
Reply:As most others have said, he could be both dangerous %26amp; vulnerable. Whether he has training or not, other people's training in a fighting discipline would not necessarily guarantee them success fighting him. He only has to be luckier than they are.
Reply:First off, fighters who get 'rage', or see 'red mist' are not dangerous. Of all the factors that influence the outcome of the fight, 'rage' is probably the least important and the most self-destructive. Rage cannot overcome techniques, more power, or greater speed. Therefore rage is not dangerous.





If this Harry Potter kid went crazy in these fights, then the people he fought are soft, meaninng they can't fight. He was red with rage, right? So what? Bring Harry down to Tampa, and we'll see this rage against skill and power.
Reply:i had experience of a similar man,smal in stature but with a terrible temper.in the end he had to have a serious beating to calm him.i would say that although getting mad does help stiffen the backbone it is always best to be just as determined but totally calm.